My comparison of aurios, stillpoints and Mi-rollers

for about year tried those plus configurations of sand and roller balls too, and also mapleshade supports and brasshats on top.

I used under amps and pre..... doing one unit at a time, and then the next and so on. and finally the speakers. my big classic audio reproductions which were spiked thru rug into concrete slab. each of these things helped, especially under speakers. amazed at the increase in resolution and soundstage under speakers. but aurios very expensive. went whole hot with the best bearings. the stillpoints were as good to my ears, maybe better...and less expensive. almost kept them as thot they top of the heap.

But then on a lark tried Mi-Rollers from Musical Industry.
Just little brass or alum things. but this guy really is audiophile and has some very good reasons why makes his isolation supports this way.

Had my friends over to compare to stillpoints. one is audio engineer with very young ears. musician etc. we all heard same thing.
The Mi-rollers were simply more musical and just as resolving. I was amazed at the sound. The others sounded very good, but in comparison thin and lean. The violin etc just not as "rich" and realistic. i listen to a lot of live r and b, jazz and classical, and i was amazed at the realism these mi-rollers gave in comparison.

To me it was an unexpected discovery from a source no one talks about as far as i know. of course, this my system and my ears and those of friends. but mi-rollers is what i am sticking with and i recom a demo drive by others.

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Alex,

 

Want to thank you for the great products. I have been using the rollers under my dvdp & great results!  Blacker blacks verified by DVE disc!  The colors look deeper & the picture overall looks more 3d! Thanks,

Ace S. Tanoue / Owner

EZ Conneciton

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Hi Alex,

 

You have another happy customer. I have many tweaks (Black Diamond cones, Soler Points, Still Points, HRS Nimbus, ..) . I did not do a direct A/B test except against Black Diamond Cones. As you must already know, it was no contest. The roller are better, wider soundstage and more 3D. I used the Black Diamond Cones under my Accustic Arts AMP II, it is over 100 pounds. I like the fact that the roller are much easier to install. One of the reason the Black Diamond Cones was used on my Amp was that the Still Points was only slightly better then the Black Diamond Cones. I had better success on the DVD player and CD transport with the Still Points.

By the way, I suggested to Jason W. to make an order.

 

Wilson

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Dear Alex and the staff at Musical Industries,

Over a year ago I purchased your Mi-Rollers for my whole audio system.  At that time I was preoccupied with Home Theater.  I bought all the best equipment I could afford.  B&K Reference 50 Pre/Pro, Sunfire Signature 600, CineNova Grande, BPT Balanced Power Transformer 2.5, Denon DVD 2900 multiplayer, Samsung DLP 61", Tara Labs Bi-wire speaker cables and Signal Cable interconnects.  Before I stumbled on your Audiogon ad, I had never heard of isolation bearings or any other isolation devices.  So it was a fluke that I actually bought some.  I am so glad I did, because the difference in the performance of all my gears was night and day.  Before I started using Mi-Rollers I thought my system was the best it could be.  Boy, was I wrong.  Now my HT system is complete and I have started to experiment with two channel again.  I recently bought a Luminous Technology passive preamp and a Rega Planet 2000 CD player and Flying Mole Digital Amplifiers (very efficient).  I was just making the connections and listening as I was playing around with different configurations, when I thought why not take the Mi-Rollers out from under my Balanced Power Transformer and put them under the Rega to see if there would be any difference.  Shocked is what I was after listening for just a few minutes.  I used Diana Kralls "girl in the other room" CD to A/B the Rega Planet 2000 in my comparison. 

I can't put into words what the difference was between not using any isolation and using the Mi-Rollers.  This Rega CD player prides itself as having special isolation charachteristics built into the chasis.  I played the disc before inserting the Mi-Rollers underneath for about thirty seconds on the first track.  I turned it off and installed the Brass Mi-Rollers (large that are made for heavier equipment).  I started the disc again, and within a few minutes the performance from this CD player had quadrippled and as time goes on continues to get even better.  Now the CD player sounds like vinyl.  Seriously, it sounds so much like a record that I decided to play some of the records I have and compare them to some of the CD's I have by the same performer.  I won't mention what brand the record player is but it is very highly reviewed and a popular first buy for turntables, I will tell you though that at first I couldn't tell the differnce.  After a few tracks played, I started to hear a big difference between the two.  As a matter of fact the CD player sounded much better than the Record.  And now I find myself playing more CD's and less records.  Just for the sake of an experiment, I used four Alluminum Mi-Rollers under the record player.  Oh my God!  The record player came to life.  It sounds so much more real and the airiness and coherence as well as detail that was lacking in the music I like has increased 10 fold.  Now I am torn between Vinyl and CD.  I don't know which one I like better, but it is fun to listen to music now, funner than it previously was, because the other benefits of using your Mi-Rollers is that the fatigue that you normally feel after listening to music on a record or a CD would make me stop after an hour or so.  Now without that fatigue, I find myself immersed in music and it's so much harder now to stop.  I find myself listening to music whenever I get tha chance, and all kinds of music too.  My midfi system has become in my opinion "Highend".   But the greatest thing to me about this experience is that I was able to realize such a huge improvement in my sound system.  This product is one of tremendous value.  It does what it says it will do.  The cost is almost insignificant compared to the amount of satisfaction is provides.  I absolutely love my Mi-Rollers.  I have bought and sold so many audio gears over tha past three years, but one thing remains in my system that I will never sell and that is my Mi-Rollers and my Mi-Horns. 

I wrote this e-mail to you in order to share my experiences with you but most of all to let you know that you are building a following of loyal audiphiles, I am one and  I always recommend them to my friends and even to strangers I meet along the way.  Most of the people I share them with are as amazed as I am.

Your loyal customer and friend,

Mark Downing
markd@60minuteloan.com

 Optima Mortgage Corporation

 555 N. Parkcenter Dr., Suite 221
Santa Ana, CA 92705
Phone - (714) 550-7755
Toll-Free - (866) 400-5080

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Review from HomeTheaterTalk.com

web-site: http://hometheatertalk.com/httalk/viewtopic.php?t=7100

 I won these items here on HTT quite a while back, but have not had an opportunity to test and review them (My HT has been in and out of commission due to some remodeling projects). Even this test was not done under optimal conditions as my projector is currently in the shop. That said, let me tell you what I did test and my experience with these items.

The Mi-Rollers are a "vibration sensitive electronic component support system". Basically, an isolation device. The website and the documentation recommend using them with source components (DVD player) and pre-amps. For this test, I used it with my DVD player (Panasonic RP82).

Let me preface the rest of this review with a comment. It was my original intention to do the product review and then offer them to someone else on HTT to test/review. Kind of a revolving sample so everyone would at least get a chance and make their own judgement.

I performed the test using Chapter 9 ("Your Song") of Moulin Rouge. I like this test material because of the intricate sets, costumes and use of color. It also has some distinctive music and sound. I watched this scene without the MiRollers installed. I put them in place under my DVD player, waited 30 minutes and re-watched the scene.

As I stated, the video in my system right now is not optimal for high end evaluation, but I still noted some differences. Some of the 'Elephant' detailing appeared clearer. I also noticed less red wash on the faces of Ewan McGregor and Nicole Kidman. Note that this was not a 'night and day' change, but I felt that it was visibly different.

I also noticed changes in the audio. Mainly additional clarity in background depth. Again, sometimes subtle but definitely noticeable.

The best analogy I can make to it is how a system sounds and looks different (better) at night then it does in the day. That is almost exactly the type of difference that I feel the Mi-Rollers make. Nothing that makes your system a whole new system, but enough to make it a more enjoyable experience. Don't ask me to explain how or why they work, or to even defend the claims made on the mihorn.com website. All I can say is that they made the movie watching experience more enjoyable to me.

I noted early in this post that I had originally planned to pass these on to others to share/review. I have changed my original stance and will be keeping these. Quite simply, I prefer my system with them right where they are. Very Happy

 

Michael P. Armijo 

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Hi Alex:

   I received my MI-Rollers right on time and I am delighted. I am using them under both my Sony NS999Es and my Jolida JD100. In both cases there was an immediate improvement in soundstage, then over a period of about two weeks I noticed the bass firmed up and deepened on both players and with the Jolida the treble seemed to extend. I wasn't certain, so I brought in the boss (my wife) she agreed! I now have put the four remaining under my EAD 8000 Prp Pre-Amp. It seems to be following a similar pattern, the sound stage is now extended well beyond the back wall of our listening room. When are you coming out with more of these miricles?

                                               Thanks Again/ Bill

 

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October 2004

Mi Rollers
A Brief Review Of Vibration Control

Review By Rick Becker
Click here to e-mail reviewer

  It should be no surprise to regular readers that I've reviewed more than my share of vibration control devices. I'm very big on them.  And this fact did not escape reader Richard Patrick of Lake Butler, Florida.   Richard bombarded me with exuberant email proclaiming the miraculous virtues of Mi Rollers until before I knew it, I had two sets in house for review.

As you can see in the photos, they are quite curious looking, reminding me of walnuts machined from either brass or aluminum.  I was sent a tall set in aluminum and a short set in brass. The machined waistline raised my curiosity, suggesting that they were made of two halves and perhaps filled with oil. I put that inquiry aside, along with the rollers, not wanting my perceptions influenced by construction details or theory.

The next round of incoming product for review happened to be the new Von Schweikert VR-4 Jr. loudspeakers ?a brand new pair with 400 hours of loud break-in requested before critical listening.  I set them up in my stereo video rig.  The music was pretty difficult to ignore as I went about my life, so I slipped the Mi rollers and a Symposium Isis shelf under the inexpensive DVD player and the vintage Tandberg 3012A integrated amplifier.  As impressive as the VR-4 Jr.s were right out of the box, the music improved quite noticeably with the addition of the Isis selves and Mi Rollers. The two worked well together because the large rounded surface of the rollers was not sharp enough to dig into or puncture the surface of the moderately priced Isis shelves.

The lightweight DVD player jiggled easily on the Mi Rollers when touched, and the much heavier Tandberg presented more resistance and came to a halt more quickly when pushed in the horizontal plane.  These results were a good sign, as that is basically what happens with the Symposium Rollerblocks I use in my reference system. The manufacturer recommends putting additional weight on top of very light components, but I didn't do this during this casual listening stage of the review. In watching the components dance, it occurred to me that the  Mi Rollers incorporated both the concave surface of the Rollerblocks with the concept of the ball bearing뾞ll in one machined part!  Very clever, indeed!

 

Three Major Ergonomic Benefits

Three major benefits of this design came to light in the early stages of my playing with the Mi Rollers.  First, I slipped the shorter (19mm) brass set under my tuner to listen to Hearts of Space on Sunday night.  They lifted the feet of the tuner a mere 1mm above the shelf, which is excellent, because there is very little headroom above the tuner in my rig.  Had I needed an extra millimeter of clearance to lift the feet off the shelf, little squares of plastic laminate samples from Home Depot were close at hand.  Even the tall (25mm) Mi Rollers are not as tall as the Symposium Rollerblock 2+ (30 mm), Rollerblock Jr. (32 mm), or Stillpoints with risers (36 mm). Only the Stillpoints without risers (25 mm) compare with the taller Mi Rollers.  While these distances are not huge, when combined with the ergonomics of installation of the various devices, they become more significant.

The second ergonomic benefit was the ease of placing the Mi Rollers under components.  There is no tricky balancing involved here. Just lay the Mi Rollers on the shelf, preferably not in a straight line, and set the component on top of them.  Alternatively, if the component is already on the shelf, just lift an edge and slide them under, one at a time.  I usually placed them in a large equilateral triangle. When set down, they take a few seconds to stop their rocking motion. A push with a finger from the front of the component and again from the side of the component will tell you if it is properly placed.  It should jiggle readily in both directions.  This is so easy to do that I took them to a 150 year birthday party (Ralph and Janet, age 80 and 70) and slid them under the audio rig I had set up for them.  Only the stamped metal bottoms of inexpensive components which tend to contain a variety of indentations pose any real challenge to placement of the Mi Rollers. Using shims under one or two rollers would allow for some degree of leveling a component.

The third ergonomic benefit is their stability.  The component will not roll away on you, although the Rollerblock Jr. and Stillpoints are also very good in this regard.

Only with a lightweight carousel multi-format player with its heavily indented bottom and large tray did I have any fear.  When the drawer closed it sent the entire unit into a rocking motion that might have caused a roller to slide into one of the valleys in the floorpan. With more typical High End gear I had no problems.

 

Do They Work?

In my earlier reviews of Symposium Acoustics Rollerblocks and shelves, and Stillpoints, I have already established the importance of having some kind of dampening device in use with each component.  The synergy builds as each successive component is dampened, and the weakest link is strengthened.  On many of my components I combine more than one device for even greater improvement.  (See my detailed description of the rig far below).  Since I don't feel the need to prove this synergistic effect again here, I decided to test the Mi Rollers under the CAT preamplifier and compare the results with the Symposium Rollerblock 2+ and Stillpoints with risers.

Listening to an old favorite, Buddy Guy's Damn Right I've Got the Blues, I replaced the Symposium Rollerblock 2+ with the low brass Mi Rollers placed directly on the solid maple shelf.  The music was just as transparent, but the decay of notes was longer and the attack not quite as sharp. I noted the CAT did not sway easily when I pushed it.

Next, I placed the Mi Rollers on top of the stainless steel plates that come with the Symposium Rollerblock 2.  Focus increased, not quite to the level of the Rollerblock 2+, but close.  The CAT swayed a good bit more freely than before, but not as freely as with the Rollerblocks.  A little bit of over-ringing was noted on high piano notes, in particular, indicating the decay was still a little long.

At the suggestion of Richard Patrick, again, I substituted ceramic tiles (7.75" square by 5/16" thick) for the stainless steel plates under the Mi Rollers.  Focus improved even more, to almost the level of the Rollerblock 2+, but again, without the edge or bite exhibited by my Kharma loudspeakers when the Rollerblock 2+ were under the CAT preamplifier.  We are really high on the High-End Mountain, here, and dealing with very subtle differences.  Personally, I appreciate the musical edge that the Kharmas give me without crossing over into irritation.  It contributes to the "you are there" experience. Others, who prefer their music to be more relaxing, might appreciate the slightly backed-off results achieved with the Mi Rollers.  With both devices, however, the pace, rhythm and timing were all improved by the increase in focus they imparted on the system.

Next I swapped the taller aluminum Mi Rollers for the lower brass version, keeping the ceramic tiles in place.  The larger rollers seemed to have slightly better focus, but it lost some of the mellowness or body of the music with the brass version.  On a particularly bass-heavy cut, there seemed to be more bass energy with the larger Mi Rollers, but the bass was fuzzier.  I'm sure I was stretching the limits of my Manley Mahi monoblocks here, which I run in triode mode with minimum feedback, yielding only 20 lovely watts per channel. On everything else I listened to on this CD the bass sounded very good.

Of course, I'm not really comparing apples to apples here.  The acoustic benefits of brass are widely known.  Like꿾hen was the last time you heard an aluminum trumpet? And there seemed to be clear improvement in focus when going from the shorter to the taller Mi Rollers. Ideally, I would have had both brass and aluminum rollers in each size, but think I've picked up on the critical differences, nonetheless. Interestingly, the aluminum rollers seem to be a lot lighter than the brass, suggesting that the rollers are indeed hollow, or filled with liquid.  They both seem to be a lot warmer after use than mere conduction would account for again, suggesting that some motion was converting mechanical energy to heat in the process of dampening vibrations.

Continuing on, since I had no spare set of Stillpoints, I put the CAT power supply on the larger aluminum Mi Rollers and put the Stillpoints under the CAT, ceramic ball down on the ceramic tiles. This combination proved superior, even to the Rollerblock 2+.  But in all fairness, I then had to try the Rollerblock 2+ with the ceramic tiles. This required using the Rollerblock 2+ in the "ball-up" position with the stainless steel plate on the bottom of the CAT and the ceramic tile beneath the Rollerblock. This brought the performance of the system very close to results achieved with the Stillpoints.  With the Rollerblock 2+ on ceramic tiles, the music was a little more liquid sounding. It was slightly drier with the Stillpoints nose down on the ceramic tiles. In all other parameters, with the limited music material I had time to investigate, there was little or no difference.

To satisfy my curiosity, I went a step further and inverted the Rollerblock 2+, placing the upgrade tungsten carbide ball directly on the ceramic tile with the Rollerblock in contact with the bottom of the CAT.  This gave me more liquidity, more involvement with the music, and more of why I prefer the Mahis in the 20 watt triode mode rather than 40 watt ultra linear.  Clearly, the ceramic tile is making a significant contribution. With generic tiles of this size costing about a buck, this is something to investigate in your own system if you have the slightest inclination.  Richard reported to me that he had improved results by stacking multiple tiles beneath the Mi Rollers, although I haven't felt inclined to follow that direction.

Getting back to the Mi Rollers, I placed the smaller brass model on the ceramic tiles once again. Damn!  This sounds really good, too!  It lacks a bit of dynamics compared to the Rollerblock 2+ and the Stillpoints, but it gives a tighter bass and most of the focus you get with the higher priced models.  Double checking the larger aluminum model, I was convinced that larger is indeed better than small, as the dynamics definitely improved ?not quite to the level of the Rollerblock 2+ or Stillpoints, but close.

I then removed the larger aluminum MI Rollers and let the CAT rest directly on the ceramic tiles.  This resulted in a very significant degradation in sound quality. Bass, especially, became muddy, but the loss of resolution was across the frequency spectrum. Next I removed the ceramic tiles and once again let the CAT sit directly on the solid maple shelf.  Predictably, the resolution dropped again.

 

Summary

If you haven't already tried some sort of vibration dampening device under your components, surf the web for reviews, check the back issues of your print journals, bite the bullet and buy something!  Then try it under a variety of your components and see if you don't think you could benefit from more of the same, or more of another variety. Each design has its own ergonomic plusses, and each design has its own level of resolution enhancement. From the two shelves and five devices I've now reviewed and use in my reference system, I can tell you that you pretty much get what you pay for. The cost of the last few degrees of improvement rises exponentially in high end audio, as we all know.  And the various manufacturers seem to have figured out the formula, by and large.  Once in a while you will find a wild card, such as the ceramic tiles, where the manufacturer doesn't even know they are in the game.  But as a class, while these devices may cost hundreds of dollars per set, they offer an improvement equivalent to thousands in component upgrades.

The Mi Rollers proved to be a very competent resonance dampening device with user friendly ergonomics.  While costing roughly half as much, they came very close to the performance of my best resonance control devices, especially when a ceramic tile was placed beneath them.  The improvement in focus, with the accompanying improvement in pace, rhythm and timing is readily apparent. I definitely recommend them to everyone from entry level to serious enthusiasts, whereupon your wallet will determine if you need to go any higher.  If listening to tonight's broadcast of Hearts of Space is any indication, the Mi Rollers will have a permanent home beneath my tuner, and possibly elsewhere in my reference system.  I certainly enjoyed the music.  The manufacturer suggests that they are also very beneficial to video images when used under DVD players, but I did not proceed in this direction.  Perhaps you might like to.

And once again, I give a tip of the hat to Richard Patrick for tuning me in to these little gems, and the benefit of the ceramic tiles.  Much more fun with these lies ahead.

 

Tonality

Uniform

Sub-Bass (10 Hz - 60 Hz)

See Text

Mid-Bass (80 Hz - 200 Hz)

See Text

Midrange (200 Hz - 3,000 Hz)

See Text

High-Frequencies (3,000 Hz on up)

See Text

Attack

Decay

Inner Resolution

Soundscape Width Front

No Change

Soundscape Width Rear

No Change

Soundscape Depth Behind Loudspeakers

Soundscape Extension Into Room

No Change

Imaging

Fit And Finish

Self Noise

N/A

Value For The Money

 

Specifications

Type: Mi Roller resonance control

Dimensions: Mi Roller: 34 mm diameter, 25 mm height Mi Roller Jr.: 34 mm diameter, 19 mm height

Price:

Mi Roller
Brass: $50 each roller
Aluminum: $40 each roller

Mi Roller Jr.
Brass: $40 each roller
Aluminum: $30 each roller

 

Company Information

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373 N. Western Ave. #6
Los Angeles, CA 90004

Voice: (323) 962-9202
Fax: (323) 962-9171
E-mail: sales@mihorn.com
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